Which do you prefer and why for HDD or SDD hard disks ? And how is Ext4 with power failures nowadays ? iirc a few years ago there were issues with Ext3 (Yes, Ext3) and I remember a no barrier option was needed ? Is Ext4 much better ? And what FS do you prefer on usb storage ?

Azure
523d

I’ve been liking BtrFS for the snapshots, send/receive, and subvolumes/quota.

@ajz@lemmy.ml
creator
222d

Cool! Thanks for this. I remember I read about bcachefs years ago. I see that it has made much progress, gets good reviews and it has a sub Reddit with more recent info. I read that the --help only had up to date info (unlike wiki, man page). I hope this will be accepted by upstream Linux kernel.

ext4 for extreme reliabilty cases, BTRFS for everything else

Oue
423d

exfat for simple USB Storage, works on any OS (linux just needs exfat-utils and fuse)

Ext4 for linux drives

ext4 works very well. I had stability issues with btrfs the multiple times I’ve tried it.

Halce
323d

Bfrfs for automatic snapshots and easier data recoverability out-of-the-box. I use it on SSD, but I imagine that on a HDD it works just fine too.

poVoq
323d

Hmm that really depends on the specific situation and use case. For simple usb drives I usually use exFat these days as there are no file permission issues as with ext4. System drive ssd I use ext4 and on the server/nas I use zfs.

I agree with exFAT mostly for that and compatibilty.

With PC I tend to use XFS in comparison both in HDD and SSD.

Jakob
admin
222d

What about Snapshots in XFS? I think, they added this years ago.

I lived BTRFS for snapshots, but had much problems on an external drive and multiple times data loss… a broken cable was the reason… but the drive wotked with ext4 much better than with btrfs…

And on a hybrid SSHD also btrfs is not the best idea, if you use snapshots (every hour for example eith cron). It makes the SSHD as slow as the HDD behind the SSD-cache…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Snapshots

I don’t think that are a good idea in a running environment…

Anyways, for backups I use the traditional way. The thing in which I am interested is data deduplication.

Jakob
admin
122d

ok. making snapshots with btrfs is also no backup-strategy (alone). But sending the snapshot to an external drive or backup-store is a really good thing for making backups. Much faster than doing this with rsync.

Don’t use rsync. I do them with Nextcloud or Syncthing and sometimes manually.

For other cases, I use a manager for an Hypervisor for VMs to make programmed backups, also including snapshots.

For me, an snapshot is a backup method.

Jakob
admin
119d

BTRFS-snapshots only is no backup-method. Only if you send them to an external Store (external HD, SAN, NAS…) In case of deduplication and Copy-On-Write, a snapshot is physically the same store-location as the original. Only the few changed parts of the whole filesystem are stored on another physical place on the same HD.

So if you use BTRFS-snapshots you MUST send/receive the snapshots to another medium, if you want to use snapshots as backup. Data-loss is so a big danger.

@Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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19d

Maybe the example I gave was not enough.

The point of snapshots is serving as some kind of incremental backups always dependent of a main backup or the main instance.

Always the changes are copied, it is valid, even if a delta of a file was the only thing saved.

This applies to systems with deduplication enabled and COW.

@Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
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10d

I think you understand backup not as the real abstract concept but as a sub-class called “a secure way to make a backup”.

If you copy a file to other folder to the same hard drive it is still a backup.

The same happens with the btrfs-snapshots if the idea are for the files or changes you made in an Operating System installation (OpenIndiana with ZFS snapshots made for every system upgrade).

Jakob
admin
210d

In BTRFS if you copy a File to another folder, only the reference is created. The physically information, what IS the file, is still the same. If you use [code]cp --reflink=always[/code] for sure.

So if you make a Snapshot with BTRFS, it’s almost like a hardlink. The file disappears, when the last reference gets deleted. But al reference-files break, if the physically location on the HD breaks.

So… making a snapshot in btrfs is not a backup for me. It is a good way for a fast rollback. It is a good way for deduplication. It is a good way for daily work. But a real backup for me is a physically separated store for the information.

Make snapshots on a computer for fast rollback, or after system upgrade - even here for fast rollback. Or if I’m working on my photos, i do automatically every 10 minutes a snapshot. So a wrong command does only destroy the work of maximum 10 minutes… never the whole work.

But backup… i make differential snapshots and send them with btrfs send/receive to another drive, so the snapshot is pyhsically duplicated on a separate store. One HD can break… i have a backup.

Do you understand, what i mean?

Here’s something different. I use several external USB drives with mergeFS + EXT4 to backup my file server (LVM + EXT4).

@ajz@lemmy.ml
creator
122d

Cool, thanks for the mergerFS mention. Since this is packaged for Debian, and in Arch Linux AUR, I am eager to try this.

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