I am not belittling the influence of CIA in our daily lives, and it goes far beyond just surveillance, slavery, drug smuggling and so forth. But if you think that giving a gun to a bear to get rid of the wolf is a good idea, then I disagree. Ideas aside, Chinese government allows very few people to be China, in US many people comprise the upper class and can play part in its politics. In US, CIA is not the government, nor a deep state, and its existence is more temporary than China’s dependence on their internal security. The CIA’s effect is enormous but nobody needs them anymore, which is why they are trying to prove their usefulness. My hope is that sooner or later they will die off like oil companies.
As a Russian who knows his history I don’t see the principal difference between how you name your regime. You can call a typical chekist state ML but it won’t change what it is: a government that follows The Prince by the letter.
if you think that giving a gun to a bear to get rid of the wolf is a good idea, then I disagree.
Ugh false equivalence. You mean to say that China colonised any country, or dropped bombs, or conducted systemic surveillance on the world, like even one bit, compared to the global hegemon USA today?
Chinese government allows very few people to be China
And Chinese government is not expansionist. Your point being they are? They do not seek to spread the ideology of ML socialism with Chinese characteristics anywhere, not in the single tiniest village in the world. USA has done that to quite many countries via its CIA (pre 1970s) and later NED fronts and via funding and creating Mujahideen forces in MEA. Ain’t seen China do that yet, and have not seen one bit of evidence supporting any such future vengeance planning either.
in US many people comprise the upper class and can play part in its politics. In US, CIA is not the government, nor a deep state
LMAO. Everything is deeply controlled in USA. There is no conspiracy, and CIA even managed to invent the “conspiracy theory” term to systematically discredit any of their critics. Their system brainwashes any foreigner aiming to climb the power dynamics ladder in that country, either via accepting racism, teaching Christianity and/or imperialism apologia, financial corruption, lobbying, getting set up just in case, and so on. And they do not respect or tolerate any competition, unless they are at the top of the food chain.
I’m sorry but there’s no point arguing this. I suggest you look at all of these facts objectively and really stop clinging to the buzzwords and reacting (positively or negatively) to the political agendas as if they didn’t exist.
There are no buzzwords I clinged to. You do not even have a good explanation for what is going on, and you are just not ready to acknowledge a lot of this yet, it seems.
Take your time. I think it is possible you may be applying your own prejudices of some kind to evaluate Chinas from your own lens, which is causing this conflict with yourself.
Some buzzwords: expansionist, deeply controlled, ML, etc. In this context they are used intentionally vaguely. Control is not a vague thing, someone orders someone else to do something and the hierarchy is exactly that. Expansionist can be defined in many different ways. The expansions of US and China are different, but this isn’t 1914, noone cares about the land that much anymore. Both fight for spheres of economic and political influence. And recent annexation of HK was not in the slightest supported by HK. Stop using the word expansionist, its meaning has changed in the past 100 years. As for Leninism, it only kind of existed for three years- 1920-1923. The rest, as they say, is history.
You are projecting your made up ideas on me. And sorry to tell, all of those speculations you have in this comment are so wrong, I will not even bother debunking, be it HK, relevance of ML theory or territorial expansionism.
If you think those are buzzwords I do not know, then this discussion is over. Good luck with that attitude in any discussion.
I am not belittling the influence of CIA in our daily lives, and it goes far beyond just surveillance, slavery, drug smuggling and so forth. But if you think that giving a gun to a bear to get rid of the wolf is a good idea, then I disagree. Ideas aside, Chinese government allows very few people to be China, in US many people comprise the upper class and can play part in its politics. In US, CIA is not the government, nor a deep state, and its existence is more temporary than China’s dependence on their internal security. The CIA’s effect is enormous but nobody needs them anymore, which is why they are trying to prove their usefulness. My hope is that sooner or later they will die off like oil companies.
As a Russian who knows his history I don’t see the principal difference between how you name your regime. You can call a typical chekist state ML but it won’t change what it is: a government that follows The Prince by the letter.
Ugh false equivalence. You mean to say that China colonised any country, or dropped bombs, or conducted systemic surveillance on the world, like even one bit, compared to the global hegemon USA today?
And Chinese government is not expansionist. Your point being they are? They do not seek to spread the ideology of ML socialism with Chinese characteristics anywhere, not in the single tiniest village in the world. USA has done that to quite many countries via its CIA (pre 1970s) and later NED fronts and via funding and creating Mujahideen forces in MEA. Ain’t seen China do that yet, and have not seen one bit of evidence supporting any such future vengeance planning either.
LMAO. Everything is deeply controlled in USA. There is no conspiracy, and CIA even managed to invent the “conspiracy theory” term to systematically discredit any of their critics. Their system brainwashes any foreigner aiming to climb the power dynamics ladder in that country, either via accepting racism, teaching Christianity and/or imperialism apologia, financial corruption, lobbying, getting set up just in case, and so on. And they do not respect or tolerate any competition, unless they are at the top of the food chain.
I’m sorry but there’s no point arguing this. I suggest you look at all of these facts objectively and really stop clinging to the buzzwords and reacting (positively or negatively) to the political agendas as if they didn’t exist.
There are no buzzwords I clinged to. You do not even have a good explanation for what is going on, and you are just not ready to acknowledge a lot of this yet, it seems.
Take your time. I think it is possible you may be applying your own prejudices of some kind to evaluate Chinas from your own lens, which is causing this conflict with yourself.
Some buzzwords: expansionist, deeply controlled, ML, etc. In this context they are used intentionally vaguely. Control is not a vague thing, someone orders someone else to do something and the hierarchy is exactly that. Expansionist can be defined in many different ways. The expansions of US and China are different, but this isn’t 1914, noone cares about the land that much anymore. Both fight for spheres of economic and political influence. And recent annexation of HK was not in the slightest supported by HK. Stop using the word expansionist, its meaning has changed in the past 100 years. As for Leninism, it only kind of existed for three years- 1920-1923. The rest, as they say, is history.
You are projecting your made up ideas on me. And sorry to tell, all of those speculations you have in this comment are so wrong, I will not even bother debunking, be it HK, relevance of ML theory or territorial expansionism.
If you think those are buzzwords I do not know, then this discussion is over. Good luck with that attitude in any discussion.