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This was never the case even before all of these new solutions. When a developer makes something, they’re going to release it for people to use. They generally are not going to just leave it sitting in a repo and let people figure out building it themselves until a distro maintainer happens to package it.
The traditional approach is very good for core components and staples of the desktop where distro developers can curate an experience where everything works with everything and is in harmony. It’s not, however, very good at getting applications the end user cares about out there. Flatpak/Appimage and traditional packages complement each other nicely and cover each others’ flaws.
You’re really not responding in good faith and just looking for dunks. Clearly, when I said it was more work for Fedora maintainers I was providing an example of them going above and beyond to provide flatpaks as evidence for it not being a move of laziness. The Fedora project creating so many of them would not be necessary for flatpaks to work or to be useful.
It’s fine to not like flatpaks. Sandboxing causes a lot of headaches for users that are still being ironed out. But it wasn’t created out of distro maintainer laziness or a scheme to push all the work onto app developers. It was and is an attempt to make things easier for developers and to make applications available to every Linux user. And you know what? It’s better now for me. Back in the day it was a lot harder to switch away from Debian-based distributions because everything you found would be a deb. If it was too obscure or new to have been picked up by distro maintainers, you were stuck building it yourself. Nowadays, when I find some tiny project on gitlab, the developer is much more likely to provide what they’ve made in a form I can actually use regardless of my choice of distribution. Everything is accessible to me and I never feel like I’m missing out like I did in the 00s. I wasn’t happy with the packaging situation then, but now things are a whole lot better.
You realize developers generally package their applications for something regardless? The only difference on their end is that instead of making a deb or an rpm that will serve a fraction of Linux users, they can make a flatpak for all of them.
And distro maintainers/other third parties can and do make flatpaks all the time…Fedora for example creates their own flatpaks for basically everything in their repositories, and they’re the biggest “true believers” in flatpak you can find. It’s more work for them.
They’ll be about as adventurous as each other. Kubuntu and Mint only really differ in the desktop environment installed and a few of Canonical’s bad decisions that Mint undoes every now and again. Beyond that, they’re both just Ubuntu.
You’ll learn about as much as you would on any mainstream distro.
One of the primary goals is making less work for app developers who can now just make a flatpak and be done with it instead of making 30 different debs and rpms and such. The main reason flatpak has been so widely adopted has nothing to do with distro maintainers…it’s that developers can make something everyone can use and not think about it beyond that.
Snap is just an extremely bad solution that works poorly with the additional issue of centralizing control in Canonical’s hands.
It’s disturbingly common for people to say solved problems were never problems.
See also: y2k
Here’s the fucked up thing: I didn’t even realize the ozone layer thing had gotten so much better and that real action had been taken. We don’t really talk about the successes, and I almost wonder if we should more not only to address people who think they were fake issues, but to prove to those of us who are exhausted and pessimistic about other environmental issues that change CAN be made because it HAS before.
Doesn’t give you what you’re looking for, but I grab almost everything from soulseek nowadays since I got tired of tools like deemix because you have to know if the album you’re looking for has any edits or removed tracks on streaming to avoid getting butchered versions. Occasionally I’ll buy a record from bandcamp or get a copy on wax, but not usually unless I’m already a fan.
The drive with my collection died recently, so I’ve been raiding the hell out of slsk.
I believe they should be allowed at any time.
What does give me pause, though, is abortions that occur because of disabilities found before birth. When it comes to those, my belief in bodily autonomy crashes into my belief that eugenics is a terrible thing. In those cases I still believe it should be legal because there isn’t really a decent way to regulate that without hurting tons of innocent people, but I do believe that if you abort because you find out your child will have Down Syndrome, you are doing something awful.
I’m going to paste my comment from a similar topic:
I find that conversation flourishes when you limit it to a certain degree. In spaces which are completely open and have a massive range of opinion, what you’ll find is mostly yelling at each other over broad talking points that everyone is already familiar with. After a while, nothing of interest comes out of the far left clashing with the far right all the time. But when you limit it, time can be spent doing other things than yelling at the dickhead on the other side who you have little to no overlap with and see as a dire enemy. You can talk about nuances in principles, differences in organizing, etc. It makes for richer, more interesting conversation.
There’s also quite a huge range within the umbrella of leftism, and honestly we already have a huge enough gap there that there’s a lot of worthless clashing. Broadening that would only make the site worse.
@Gaywallet@beehaw.org is always lovely to have around~
I’m not saying it’s difficult, but it’s a relatively shaky experience not meant for regular usage. They’re called “Testing” and “Unstable” for a reason. Sid requires you to watch your updates and be sure nothing fucky is happening…that’s a notable extra step to just using your system that not everyone wants to deal with.
I love Debian and all but use Fedora on most of my machines simply because for my use case of high spec gaming, up to date packages are all but required and using a system designed to be used that way is a much smoother experience than using the development version of a system not trying at all to cater to my needs.
Because Fedora tries harder than Debian to be an approachable and polished system out of the box. That, and if you need newer packages than what’s in Debian Stable then the experience is better on a distro like Fedora than making Testing or Sid work. Not to say that those options are bad, but depending on what you value Fedora might be closer to what you previously got out of Ubuntu than Debian.
What makes the “rules of the community” relevant here? Would you have no problem if the rules specifically disallowed your opinions?
Rules are guidelines and should always be loose, left up to human judgement and enforcement. If everything must be outlined with a specific rule, then you’re just inviting constant rules lawyering for the rest of time instead of effectively taking care of people who make your community worse.
I suggest reading On a technicality.
I find that conversation flourishes when you limit it to a certain degree. In spaces which are completely open and have a massive range of opinion, what you’ll find is mostly yelling at each other over broad talking points that everyone is already familiar with. After a while, nothing of interest comes out of the far left clashing with the far right all the time. But when you limit it, time can be spent doing other things than yelling at the dickhead on the other side who you have little to no overlap with and see as a dire enemy. You can talk about nuances in principles, differences in organizing, etc. It makes for richer, more interesting conversation.
I use Beehaw some, but honestly I don’t think federation is all that useful for this kind of site vs self hostable regular link aggregator software. Do I really want lemmy.ml’s music community and 3 other instances’ music communities, all of which being held up by one or two posters each? Not really. And at the moment, lemmy.ml has the only community sizable enough for regular usage.
I’d like to throw my hand in with this sentiment. I always liked Adwaita because it was modern but independent, not chasing trends for the sake of it. Now all of a sudden they’re not only chasing the flat trend, but chasing the much more extreme older version of it that reminds me more of the initial Material apps than anything going on in 2022. It’s hard to read, much uglier, and gives up much of the identity GNOME has held onto compared to other modern desktops.
A lot has been said about libadwaita and the wrench it throws into the world of themes, but the pill would be a lot easier to swallow if it didn’t come at the same time as the worst theme the project has ever deployed. It honestly really surprises me, as Adwaita and Clearlooks before it were both top-notch visual styles and I never thought such a regression would come from the GNOME team.
I agree that Fedora or a proper rolling release would be a better choice, but re: using Ubuntu at all as a desktop user, there’s a few reasons. First of all, its install and setup process is absolutely painless. Fedora for example requires quite a bit of extra things out of the box. dnf isn’t configured very well, additional repositories aren’t enabled, it’s missing a ton of codecs, it won’t handle nvidia drivers automatically (though they’ve made that easier lately), etc. mostly as a result of its free software policy. Ubuntu has no qualms with delivering proprietary software and otherwise putting principles to the side if it makes the process smoother.
In addition to that huge one, the vast majority of answers you’re going to find when looking things up will be catered toward Ubuntu, it’s still common for projects to only provide .debs (though this has been made MUCH better since flatpak and appimage came around), or they might be familiar with it from work.
Depending on your preferred desktop environment they may have the best implementation of it. Ubuntu MATE is to MATE what Fedora is to GNOME, you’re not going to find a MATE experience half as good anywhere else. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same was true for lxqt or something.
I don’t think Ubuntu is one of the better distros and am more likely to nudge people toward Fedora, Debian, or Arch, but there’s definitely valid reasons to use Ubuntu.
A few years ago there was a wave of FOSS projects (most notably the Linux kernel itself) adding CoCs to try and address misogyny and general toxicity in free software. The line in here is a bit of snark separating themselves from that, as part of the big reactionary push against the CoCs that popped up and were revised all over the place.
4chan is still plenty popular and even somewhat tolerable depending on the board. It’s much much worse than it was before the 2016 American election cycle, but if you’re like me and attached to imageboards, you can do worse. Can also do better though, Lainchan has its problems but is much better in general.
Seems unlikely. This poster is certainly not gonna last since they’re clearly just trolling, but anti-vax posting isn’t going to be moderated and nutomic in particular has some personal stake in that. Not to equate that position with full on anti-vax shit, but they clearly want room for skepticism over vaccines even when it’s essentially baseless.
I figure it sets a good precedent even if it isn’t enforced on other instances. Even if it meant more popularity, I’d rather have a healthy lefty community than spread the software at all costs.
If anything, I’d just like to have a more even distribution of leftists. M-Ls can be plenty cool and I don’t mind them being the most prominent, but I do find the all around dunking on anarchists to be obnoxious as hell, and how anarchists are constantly on the defensive as a result. The left is more than just M-Ls and the anarchists they mock, and I wish more of that was represented and we could be at each others’ throats less.
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You told me I might as well go to Windows, as if the only benefit of using Linux is its traditional approach to package management. I use it because I care about freedom, not because of how it handles package management, though I do happen to also like that (it’s just better when supplemented by flatpaks and appimages).
If you read my other comments in this thread, you’ll see why I prefer things as they are now: I can actually access most applications from most distributions without having to build shit myself. Before flatpak and the like, everything would just be a deb and if you’re very lucky, an rpm. If it was not up to the standards of your distribution or, more likely, too obscure to be noticed by them, your only option was to build it yourself. Being a Fedora user in the 00s meant every time you found some cool new thing you wanted to try out, your only option was to fumble around and figure out how to build it yourself. It sucked, and was a big part of why Ubuntu dominated so heavily. If you went anywhere other than Ubuntu and Debian, you were just opting out of a huge amount of software.
Also, it’s not just Debian Stable. Sid is too slow. Arch is too slow. Fedora is too slow. Ubuntu is too slow. Everything is too slow for the simple reason that maintainers can’t know about every obscure application you could possibly care about and won’t be packaging whatever random shit they find with a single star on github. Again: Traditional package managers are fantastic and have their place. While flatpak does deduplicate libraries through its runtime system and such to an extent, pacman and apt and dnf are much more efficient at doing so library-by-library, which is why (along with trusting distro maintainers to verify that everything works with everything else) I rely on them for the core parts of my system. There are many things they are simply better at. But when it comes to making it easy for developers to get their applications out into people’s hands and for users to actually get access to the applications they care about, flatpak and appimage do that very well.
I’m going to leave it at that and dip, because I’m frustrated with being (what seems like deliberately) misread.