I got banned from reddit (honestly feel a lot better without it)

But I miss being able to answer stupid questions and relationship questions.

Lemmy is great, but why aren’t there that many people on here? I don’t get it.

An I using my filters wrong or something?

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I leaved Google and Reddit in last two days. Continue my devalleyzation (Silicon Valley).

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Congratulations, keep up the good work. One day you’ll run a custom operating system on your phone and your own social network on the internet if you want. :D

Just reading this gives me a happy rush

Yeah personally I have enjoyed grapheneos

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What Browser do you use now?

Firefox is best!

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Facts

And searx for searching.

Social media is “winner takes all”. People go to where other people are. It’s very hard to break out of that.

I hope at some point regular users like you would help us to churn out enough content for the whole day. So far, thank you for your post, don’t forget to explore other instances and global feed.

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Thank you. You made my day :'D I’m definitely going to

Also I think not having a huge amount of content is a drawback. Users are looking for that (including me).

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Yea dude same. Even when I sort by new, they are the same posts

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I sort by “top day”, that seems to work fairly well for me… but I’m not very active either.

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Competition, reputation and federation. In essence, retention.

  1. Competition

There’s a ton of social news aggregators out there and most of them are much better at advertising their site than the entire lemmyverse together.

  1. Reputation

Lemmy has a reputation among many as a far left, for some - extremist platform. A large mastodon user that boosts accounts actively warned about Lemmy in a pretty bad way a while back. The other day a public representative for a company withdrew their community the same day they created it due to the public backlash.

  1. Federation

It’s difficult to grasp how federation, and particularly lemmy federation works for people unfamiliar with the concept. They might get a wrong impression of the lemmyverse after visiting just one instance, not realizing it’s only a part of it. Or they could be stuck on an instance with few posts that interests them.

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The other day a public representative for a company withdrew their community the same day they created it due to the public backlash.

This was probably Bitwarden on the Sopuli instance right? Could you perhaps share a link discussing this in detail?

we had to remove the Bitwarden instance for the time being, to review the flood of responses coming in to us from the community regarding information about the purpose behind Lemmy via the creators

What the heck? It’s free software and a specific detail about free software is that it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas. That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.

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Its all right! Thank you for getting this for me!

god some of them read like bots on that mastodon thread.

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https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

I remember that post and ooof the cringe was hardcore. I don’t understand how people belived that shit.

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it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas.

To be honest, I haven’t seen the developers put any demands or anything on what people use it for. Just look at Wolfballs and how it’s on https://join-lemmy.org/instances despite their home server blocking them. I think that’s very respectable.

That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.

I don’t think so. It’s just that a bad reputation lasts a long time, and the lemmy platform have had some rowdy representation for a while. Again, the developers have taken sensible steps when they started promoting Sopuli and Beehaw on the join-lemmy page, two seemingly wholesome instances that welcomes anyone.

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what happened to them? I never heard about this.

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Such a shame…

I was even excited to see them join a community as small as ours.

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I know, it really saddened me. We need to discuss these things, work together to change the federated culture and become attractive to new users. But it feels like everywhere I look, people either want to compete directly or they can’t see the big picture.

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wait What happened?

If youre looking for a more general purpose instance, try out beehaw.org

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About a week ago Bitwarden created an official community on the instance sopuli. But now it seems the community has been removed by Bitwarden due to public backlash.

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Why

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Wait, so lemmy is far left? Please tell me it’s not

Lemmy is a software our instances are running on. Here are some instances:

Lemmygrad is far left, communist instance, expressing pro US, against Russia and pro Ukraine position will swiftly get you banned

Lenny.ml (where you are registered) is under strong influence of lemmygrad. Happens mostly with a little help of an admin who supports lemmygrad. Although it has fair share of non communists who are slowly realising my previous sentence.

Wolfballs is right wing instance.

Almost any other instance is much less directed towards politics, but ideologically either centrist, leftist or apolitical at all.

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What makes you suggest that an admin is the cause of the cross-influence? They’re, by far, the two biggest federated instances, and both explicitly “leftist” (which, in their context, means socialist). Of course there will be many users coming across and influencing the posts.

Clearly pointing to this information will get me banned as it was the last time. So I’ll just invite you to take note of this possibility and keep your eyes open.

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Thank you for the correction, I respect that

It is, most innovation is made by people who want progression in the world.

For the same reason a lot of people prefer cities over towns.

Very nice analogy

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filter by All, but if you don’t like communism, do not do that

This should be posted on the main page; it would help resolve people’s culture shock after leaving walled media gardens

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exactly

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More like if you dont like the 4 prolific posters’ personal take on communism. Lemmygrad gets so much hate because a few peoplewithj nothing better to do post 80% of the political content. Every collective (reddit) have their hive minds but Lemmygrad is like a small town church that prescribes exactly what you’re supposed to see and think. It’s pretty gross.

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  1. Lemmy is newer than Reddit. Reddit has been up for over 15 years.
  2. Lemmy is a Reddit clone but less well known, thus, whatever advantages it has over Reddit, you can pretty much assume anyone who comes to Lemmy is someone who was on Reddit and saw some reason to leave. Or even still uses Reddit but is trying their hand here too. At least for now.
  3. Thus, the Lemmy userbase will, at least within the near future, be a small subset of current or former Redditors.
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All instances (mostly lemmy and lemmygrad) are experiencing a steady increase in usership.

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Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon? Like ok, I LOVED reddit. However there are so many crazy, Whitney, and totalitarian moderators who shut you down for defending your position or saying anything that goes against the echo chamber. I always had this ‘feeling’ of pressure to watch what I say. So at that point, it kills the experience. If I say you’re an ass kisser, I’m permanently banned? How can anyone last on there? The internet is the wild west, you should be able to say what you want

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Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon?

It’s a weird question. Like ‘are grapes like oranges’.

Mastodon is a federated (‘Fediverse’ due to use of ActivityPub protocol) microblogging (think twitter) software, same with Pleroma and some others. Admins can host their own website and set their own rules, those websites can interact with other sites.

Lemmy is also a federated (Fediverse) software, but it’s a link aggregator (think reddit). We’re on the lemmy.ml instance, which has its own topic and rules. There are some other ones that aim to be more liberal, and a few that try to be ‘free speech’, but are inevitably flooded by its own echo chamber of the kind of people other places don’t want around.

The internet is the wild west

Yes*. Although not each site on that net wants to be wild. If I’m having a serious discussion on a site where that’s expected (like a science topic forum), why should we tolerate someone with no idea what they’re talking about spamming unconstructive rambling about them hating us? So you inevitably do get communities and social circles that do make restrictions and enforce them in order to function, even on alleged ‘free speech’ sites. It’s all about finding the right sites, rather than expecting every site to have to listen to everything.

As one of the moderators on a subreddit with a tight, strongly enforced civility policy, it really is one of the few things keeping the sub from chaos. So much of political discourse these days is either in echo chambers or has degraded discourse. Sure you can say whatever, but the whatever slowly becomes worth less. We’ve been told by multiple users that the culture our rules foster has made it so that the users have a place to have serious political discussions with a broad range of people in a way that they haven’t in a long time. That’s important because many people have given up on political discussions with people who aren’t like-minded.

Alternatively, I’ll put it this way: it’s possible to thoroughly discuss a political matter without touching personal insults. When there is nothing stopping personal insults, Internet discussions tend to be “won” by the trolliest trolls and the loudest yellers, not the best ideas. The people with the best ideas give up as they get drowned out.

Chicken or the egg problem. Many people want a lot of (quality) content and diverse content comes from many people.

We all were using reddit at some point without thinking about alternatives. Once thinking about alternatives, there are a lot of reddit alternatives out there.

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Which Ones

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Off the top of my head – There is also td-win and voat (which are like, Reddit for neo-nazis) and hexbear (which is like, Reddit for leftists who lack the social skills to be around even other leftists)

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Imma check both of this out thank you

Clarifying question: what do you consider a lot of people?

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I guess at least 200k

Do you know about mastodon? It’s not like reddit but it’s like twitter and it has way more than 200k users and uses the same protocol as lemmy!

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To be honest Reddit shows more tits and big asses than Lemmy. Maybe people have some issue to leave that Paradise. 🤭

Damn, we need an NSFW instance.

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I don’t mind a naughty instance, it’s easy to block. Just don’t start mixing regular content with NSFW on the same server, be it sexy or gory. It would be a nightmare to moderate federation for regular instances and it would be so much easier to just block the whole server.

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I don’t even think it would be too bad to mix it on a server since users have the possibilities to block whole communities (in contrast to servers which can only be done by admins for all users). Though I find your concern regarding moderation relatable. Maybe a feature for the admin panel would be nice where you can specify comminities/servers that are not shown in the All timeline or where all posts are marked as NSFW by default (if there is not such a feature yet)

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porn isn’t illegal though?

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There is porn that is legal in one country but illegal in another. And there are people that don’t want to host porn on their servers for other reasons.

Afaik only text is replicated and images are only hosted at the server (more specifically the pictrs instance) where it was uploaded. However, I don’t know about the legal implications of linking to possibly illegal content.

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I never thought about that, seems sound to me. Thanks for pointing that out.

but the same reasoning works for a lot of other content (about pirating, privacy, hacking tools etc).

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That’s true, and if an instance starts to share walkthroughs on how to i.e. create bombs or guns etc. every admin should question themselves if they should federate with the server.

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How would you make one? What exactly is an instance? I think a dm or chat room and voice chat room sound good to

Instance is a website running Lemmy. Most of such websites connected with each other in such way so users can chat and see posts without reregistering on each separate instance. That’s how I (registered on beehaw.org) can see your posts and chat with you.

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Is there porn on here too?

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lemmy.ml has a no-porn rule, I don’t know about the other ones but I haven’t seen a porn community yet.

In my opinion, the UI doesn’t help. It just looks bad to my eyes. Everything is too big and screaming at me. I feel anxious when coming to this site, which sounds weird but ya…

have you tried different themes? I really like the lemmy look.

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*Shameless plug here* The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation

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Every other thread over there is people screeching about lemmygrad lmao. You don’t escape politics over there you just join a crowd of people absolutely seething about about lemmygrad who can’t help but comment about it on completely irrelevant posts.

let’s see your proofs, young man

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And I’m not a man, fuck off with that. Don’t explicitly gender people when you have absolutely no idea, it’s obnoxious and alienates women that use the platform.

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Lmao I took this when I visited sopuli the other day, literally the first comment on this thread.

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The space seems to exist for people to seethe. As for Beehaw it has literally no community at all so there’s like only like 10 comments per day, given that you’re advertising it solely as a place to escape communists it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.

Founding and advertising a community based on anti-communism results in that becoming its core identity. The outcome of what kind of reactionary space that will create in the longterm is inevitable, hating people trying to build a better world is a terrible pillar upon which to build a community.

Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing. The foundation of a flagship needs to be “we’re building the future of community on the internet” and understand how human beings form communities and what interpersonal connections are needed in order to achieve it. What these two spaces are doing is making a pillar of their identities hate for communists wanting to build a better world, Lemmy wouldn’t exist as a platform if not for communists wanting to build a better world and recognising the need to get away from corporate controlled social media.

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it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.

Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing.

To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies. We do, however, have a clear guiding principle of being nice to each other. Spreading hate and degrading other users are not examples of nice behavior and are not allowed on our platform.

Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair. We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different, by centering the kind of behavior we’d like to see and trying to deconstruct the idea of easily subverted rules (too much focus on the letter of law and not enough focus on the spirit of the law).

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To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies.

Yes you are, you explicitly block the communist lemmy.

What are you going to do when Hexbear federates? It’s a mixed communist and anarchist space 20x bigger than the rest of lemmy combined filled with people that explicitly adore China, defend, stand behind the position that NATO is primarily responsible for this war and that it has now reached a point at which the only way the war can end is for Russia to win because Ukraine’s psychotic leadership has banned every anti-war party and closed every tv channel that had an anti-war lean. The outcome of this means the left opposes sending weapons to Ukraine because it prolongs the war and the suffering it causes.

This probably sounds wild to you as a liberal. But all of this isn’t a controversial position among socialists, it’s pretty standard here in Britain among the socialist left and if you take any time to go looking at what American socialists are saying you’d find it’s also the case among them too. For example the DSA’s current position.

I think really what’s happening with you guys is that you don’t realise how far right you are, you support Biden right? The fuckhead is to the right of the Tories. Over here you’d be a Tory and this is the British left’s discourse on that.

I think you guys have absolutely no idea just how far right you are and how completely insulated from the REAL left in the world you actually are. You live in a media landscape completely captured by capital (which you support) that maintains a bubble that utterly deplatforms the organised and educated working class who know where their interests lie from any kind of participation. When you exit your corporate media bubbles and see the real left you undergo a considerable culture shock. I consider you, a Biden supporter, far right. You’re fundamentally to the right of bloody Thatcher on every economic issue and my street celebrates her death with a fucking party every single year.

Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair.

“The socialists are too mean so we block them!” is the most bullshit excuse ever. It is far more to do with blocking socialism and the left than it is to do with the way people speak, you’re just blocking the left via the usual liberal methods of making up barriers that would defacto capture most of the left. This is the same tactic as the racists in America that don’t explicitly target the black community but instead write policies that would overwhelmingly affect them and not white communities because the policies target issues that are prevalent within black communities.

What do I mean by this? Tone policing explicitly targets working class people. You want to control the manner in which I express myself, the manner in which I speak. You want to demand that I speak in your suitably middle-income white suburbanite american accepted manner of speaking. If I don’t “speak right” then you want to kick me out of your spaces. This kind of policy OVERWHELMINGLY targets working class people because it is working class people that come from backgrounds where the way we are brought up is less privileged, where expression between one another is not a priority compared to figuring out how I’m going to pay the scumsucking landlord last month’s rent which is now 6 weeks late while feeding the rest of the family while energy prices have risen 500%.

Don’t police people for how they speak, you create bubbles that don’t include working class people by doing this.

People should be policed for what they say, not how they say it.

By taking on the policy approaches that you have, you have built an explicitly anti-working-class space, which by extension is anti-communist because socialists are the real representatives of the working class. You’ve done exactly what spaces like /r/politics did to alienate the working class and create the most horrifically right wing liberal hellholes imaginable.

We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different

There is nothing narcissistic about setting big goals. Restricting yourself from the outset because why? Because some mean people might say mean words about the goal? Do you want to be around those people? Are those the people you want to attract? Or do you want to attract people that genuinely want to build the future?

For our demands most moderate are, We only want the earth.

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I have no interest in being called a liberal as a slur or by being told who I support when you’ve made no attempt to learn anything about me. This is precisely the kind of behavior we do not tolerate on Beehaw - you have a bone to pick with a certain kind of individual and you’re taking it out on me without understanding the first thing about me. For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.

This isn’t tone policing in the slightest, but I do not have the time to explain or iterate on the nuances relevant here when you’re already painting us with broad strokes. Have a wonderful day.

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For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.

Did you vote for Biden? Your wording here implies that you did. So you act as a liberal but wear anarchist aesthetics.

Most of this response is just you dodging the point. You want to block communists and anything that criticises policy allowing you to do so will be ignored because it’s inconvenient. I don’t consider you an anarchist if you vote for liberals, and I don’t consider you an anarchist if you punch left instead of right. You’re reinforcing the status quo of liberalism by doing so, you are functionally aiming to pull things rightwards rather than leftwards by punching left. And as I mentioned before your tone policing functions to suppress the working class, it actively suppressed anyone that doesn’t speak right. What you demand of people is a middle-income culturally white manner of speaking. You hate the working class and your policy is actively classist.

EDIT: I’ll just throw this in here for an example of how radically different “speech” is, on mainstream UK television, compared to the bullshit of this tone policing. https://twitter.com/GandPofficial/status/1545083158043000832

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This just comes of as argumentative flaming. They didn’t imply or even suggest they voted (at all), and you’re just springboarding off that assumption to throw off-topic insults and guilt by association, before getting to this absolute troll phrase “You hate the working class and your policy is actively classist”.

Read the lemmy.ml instance rules. Even just the first two.

They didn’t imply or even suggest they voted (at all),

Of course they did. A communist would say “I don’t support Biden, I voted PSL or write-in. You’ve got me completely wrong.”

The wording he chose was specifically “I don’t like what Biden is doing” which comes with the implicit “but I voted blue no matter who because I’m a fucking liberal that supports capital”.

Read the lemmy.ml instance rules. Even just the first two.

Yes I’m well aware of their recent application of this, we’ve had conversations about it. It upsets me more that Lemmy got dragged into this mindset when it could do it better.

before getting to this absolute troll phrase “You hate the working class and your policy is actively classist”.

I don’t know what your problem is with me saying you hate the working class if you engage in classism. If you engage in racism you hate marginalised races. Same shit, different hierarchy. Classism is prejudice and bigotry directed at the working class.

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The wording he chose was specifically “[misquote]” which comes with the implicit “but I voted blue no matter who because I’m a fucking liberal that supports capital”.

No, it doesn’t come with that. Any of it. You invented an enemy that doesn’t exist.

Someone said: “I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.”

The rest is all you making assumptions that most likely aren’t true. It’s as nonsensical as me saying that you just said a communist would have voted in a US federal election, so you’re clearly a social democrat reformist with faith in the bourgeois system and therefore an anti-communist. The extrapolation is tenuous, inflammatory and probably completely wrong.

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It’s as nonsensical as me saying that you just said a communist would have voted in a US federal election, so you’re clearly a social democrat reformist with faith in the bourgeois system and therefore an anti-communist.

This is explicitly wrong though. Communist theory actively endorses participation in bourgeoise democracy but NOT to support bourgeoise parties, Lenin is extremely clear about this in “Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder. We socialists participate in bourgeoise democracy to support explicitly socialist candidates as a means of using the electoral platform as a space to spread socialist messages to more people. Not to win, because that would be stupid to believe in for a system explicitly designed from top to bottom to produce a bourgeoise outcome.

Anarchist theory on the other hand is explicitly opposed to participation in bourgeoise democracy. Such participation, especially in the case of voting for bourgeoise parties, is just explicitly functioning as a liberal within society, upholding the system, accepting and participating in it, subordinating yourself to it. It is the exact polar opposite of being ungovernable. There is a huge trend among liberal americans lately to pretend they are further left than they actually are, they participate in the system as liberals while calling themselves anarchists, the anarchism is functionally just an aesthetic to them. I only have to talk to my fellow wobblies to know shit is dire over there.

probably completely wrong.

Nah I’m standing by it being correct. They would have denied it instead of downvoting and running away, because the accusation would have been offensive.

Meanwhile over here the socialist left looks at Keith fucking Starmer and is ready to not participate at all. Fuck the Labour party and fuck the liberals that have taken it over. We’ll shut down the entire country via union agitation instead until we get our way. The very idea of voting for a shitty socdem like Starmer offends the entire left. Let alone voting for someone to the right of fucking Boris and Thatcher while pretending to still be a leftist. It’s a literal joke. I’m willing to accept it when people own up to it and admit that it was a complete mistake to do so but anyone that stands by doing so and claims they are not functioning as a liberal is just lying to themselves.

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I would urge anyone on the verge of quitting Lemmy due to this to check out either beehaw.org or sopuli.xyz. There’s a (still small but) active effort in providing general instances and contributing general content in a less politically hostile environment.

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Just move to another instance or subscribe to politically neutral topics.

I browse subscribed communities and don’t experience this.

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Then go subscribe to non-political content and browse “Subscribed”.

https://welcome.nrsk.no/communities/ ;)

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lol did you even try the link?

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I just block the accounts that spam that kind of stuff, it’s not like I’m gonna engage with them anyway so…

Yeah, I started using Discord more tbh.

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I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man

This user seems to have been banned from the instance for this comment with the reason “No trumpites allowed”. Could I get some clarification on how this decision is made? As far as I can tell, it was a totally arbitrary decision with no basis in the code of conduct. For that matter, they are not necessarily a Trump fan, since many people simply dislike how Trump-centric political discourse has become.

yeah it’s weird, they didn’t even get a warning? What kind of moderation is that??

Also yeah the comment is somewhat ambiguous I think.

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Also came to realize it just now. The log mentions ‘mod’ instead of ‘admin’ if any of that helps.

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Because the admins here are thin-skinned children who do not practice what they preach.

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So subrscribe to communities that are about fun :)

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I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man

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