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Dendrite would probably run well on a Raspberry Pi, and Conduit definitely would, so the same is true for Matrix.


Whoever you want to moderate has to make a comment somewhere in the community, then you press the three dots on their comment and it should give you an option to make them a moderator.


Could you give me an example of something that isn’t too political in your eyes?


The English writer Wells went to the Soviet Union a few years ago and visited Maxim Gorky, a great writer who is gone today. He proposed the creation of a literary club from which politics would be excluded, for, to his mind, literature is literature and politics is politics. Gorky and his friends, it seems, began to laugh and Wells was annoyed. The fact is Wells saw the writer as being outside of society, while Gorky and his friends knew full well that it just is not so in life, where, in truth, all things are linked together—whether we like it or not.


It’s a fork of Lemmy made for the now defunct /r/ChapoTrapHouse community from Reddit. It does not federate with Lemmy.



the bourgeois are merely the upper middle class.

No…the bourgeoisie are those who hold control of the means of production, it has nothing to do with the amount of wealth one has, and everything to do with one’s relationship or perceived relationship to the means of production (PMCs or the labor aristocracy).

The system we have now is a mixed economy (fascism for the wealthiest, capitalism for the middle classes, and socialism for the poor classes).

Sorry, but this is politically illiterate. This completely misunderstands every one of these politico-economic systems. Where did you get this idea from?

Capitalism is merely allowing anyone to own capital - be that a home, the building they operate a business in, their own farm land, investment properties.

Capitalism allows for anyone to own and accrue private property, but the existence of private property necessitates the existence of people without private property, as Marx analyzed.

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. - Marx in the Communist Manifesto

Allowing anyone to own capital will always lead to this “squeezing out” that you mention, it’s how capitalism operataes, even if it’s against your principles of HOW it should operate.

But, classes? There will always be classes. As long as there is a free flow between the classes, that is fine with me.

The return of Kautskyism and the rejection of the class struggle. Please read Lenin’s State and Revolution to see why this was bad 100+ years ago and remains bad now.


Perhaps Stalin meant ‘classes’ that could not be escaped from - in the sense of Dhalits in India or Etta in Japan.

Stalin was a Marxist, thus I’m fairly sure he means “classes” in the Marxist sense, not that the Dhalits or Etta don’t still count in the conversation of abolishing classes. I’m sure the lower your status in the Indian class system, the higher chance of you being a part of the proletariat class. The two systems are still linked.

Your last name can’t prevent you from being hired or promoted usually - nor can your skin color or sex. You can rise in the world.

This is false. Social mobility is rather limited in places like the United States, especially for those not already related to people of higher social classes, or people of color, or women.

Even if it weren’t, it’s impossible for everyone to “rise” from the proletariat class to the bourgeois class. Capitalist development necessitates further and further concentration of capital into fewer hands, hence the creation of monopolies and the rise of wealth inequality. There has to be more labourers than bourgeoisie, otherwise production at the scale necessary under capitalism would be impossible. However, as capital is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, you see the increase of the proletariat and lumpenproletariat. It’s one of the contradictions that shows why capitalism will fail. Death, the victory of the dialectic.


Classes are not created from differences in people’s abilities that make them better or worse than anyone else, and the Marxist goal is not to make everyone “equal.” Classes are made from people’s relations to the means of production and “the abolition of classes means placing all citizens on an equal footing with regard to the means of production belonging to society as a whole” (Lenin in his address to a liberal professor).

Stalin has also discussed this point before:

The kind of socialism under which everybody would receive the same pay, an equal quantity of meat, an equal quantity, of bread, would wear the same kind of clothes and would receive the same kind of goods and in equal quantities—such a kind of socialism is unknown to Marxism.

All that Marxism declares is that until classes have been completely abolished, and until work has been transformed from being a means of maintaining existence, into a prime necessity of life, into voluntary labour performed for the benefit of society, people will continue to be paid for their labour in accordance with the amount of labour performed. “From each according to his capacity, to each according to the work he performs,” such is the Marxian formula of socialism, i.e., the first stage of communism, the first stage of a communist society.

Only in the highest phase of communism will people, working in accordance with their capacity, receive recompense therefor in accordance with their needs: “From each according to his capacity, to each according to his needs.” … It is those who know nothing about Marxism who have the primitive idea that the Russian Bolsheviks want to pool all wealth and then share it out equally.

  • Stalin, Interview with Emil Ludwig, 13 December 1931

MLM in this case refers to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism or Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought, not Multi-Level Marketing.


Sorry, I got a bit carried away. I hope you find my responses to be adequate. Feel free to ask any questions here or on any of the Lemmygrad communities.


Sure! Here are a couple of books that discuss some of the history of liberalism and its wrongdoings:

One’s I’ve read:

  • Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend (this has sections that describe the genocidal history of liberalism. You don’t have to like Stalin to read this, and if you want just skip to the parts about liberalism’s history)
  • Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
  • Thomas Frank’s Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People? (this is a more US-centric book that talks about liberalism’s shortcomings in the US rather than its genocidal wrongdoings. I’m assuming you’re from the US.)

Ones I haven’t read:

  • Domenico Losurdo’s Liberalism: A Counter-History
  • William Blum’s *Killing Hope

For a starting point in learning about Marxism, I’ll point you to a comment I made the other day. I very very highly recommend reading anything in these lists that discusses historical or dialectical materialism, including Georges Politzer’s Elementary Principles of Philosophy. Dialectical materialism is the tool Marxists use to analyze the world. Marxism without a good understanding of dialectical materialism won’t do you any good. Huey Newton said as much in his autobiography, so I think more importance needs to be placed in teaching newcomers dialectical materialism.


When you say “extremist” belief, while you may assume a view is extremist based on how far down some imaginary political number line it is, that’s not the case. What you truly mean is someone whose ideas are outside of the acceptable list of ideas put in place by liberal hegemony.

From my perspective, however, a liberal is just as much of an extremist as I am. Liberalism has left in its wake untold destruction, death, and genocide and done a very good job of obscuring or whitewashing that history to declare itself the superior moral ideology. To support that is extreme, in my opinion, but to go around declaring liberals extremists outside of communist spaces would only get me funny looks.

At this point, anything I say or learn about communism and history outside of the mainstream liberal interpretations of it will get me labeled an extremist, so why stop trying to learn about these different perspectives? It’s not like it makes me close-minded. On the contrary, it takes a pretty open mind to even begin to learn about communism in good faith.

I do self-doubt and self-criticize what I believe in, by the way. You would assume I don’t because why would “extremists” do such a thing? Well, think about how much self-criticism and self-doubt pave the way when learning about communism in a world dominated by liberalism. You learn the Cold War narrative of communism all of your life and it’s not something you can easily escape, so I always have self-doubt in my mind about what I believe in, but that’s why I have to keep an open mind and be both critical and self-critical when I learn. It’s self-criticism, though, not present-your-criticism, so it’s a private process, but that doesn’t mean you should assume it doesn’t happen.

Anyways, I didn’t address any of your specific points. I really just wanted to paint you a picture of why some people may be the way you’re describing and how the term “extremist” in this context is loaded with a lot of assumptions about people and politics. People like to immediately jump to psychologically profiling “extremists” and I think that’s rather annoying.


Honestly, I’m tired of discussions of Lemmy from outside the Lemmy community. It’s always the same stuff: “blah blah slur filter so use Lenny, blah blah against free speech, blah blah full of leftists and not centrists like me, blah blah admins are anti-diversity.” For as much as HN complains about Reddit sometimes, these HN comments essentially mirror Reddit comments about Lemmy.

All these topics have been done to death at this point, but it’s even worse when it’s clear that some of these people aren’t even a part of the community and yet there they are criticizing it in the same way everyone else has already.

It would just be nice to see discussions and criticisms of Lemmy from other angles. Something like talking about its place in the current iteration of the Web, or about its UX, or even its community, but from an non-reactionary angle. To me, Lemmy is an experiment, a social one that’s currently seeing how communities form and change through federation, moderation, and community feedback. It’s not perfect, but dismissing it as a project and experiment just because of something as simple as a slur filter is reductive and ridiculous, to be quite honest.

Ultimately, though, I’m not obligated to read what these people write, and they’re not obligated to write how I want, so my complaints are useless, unproductive, and mostly me being defensive because of criticism thrown toward a community that I’m a part of. Still, though, it would just be nice to have something more refreshing.





So far, the mod is really encouraging people who are AGAINST all the misinformation being spread around Reddit to migrate. I don’t know if the people who spread misinformation really want to migrate to another site if A) Reddit is already platforming them nicely and B) they see that the people who are moving to these other sites are people against them. Plus, Lemmy has a reputation for not being friendly to bigots and reactionaries. Just look at previous threads about Lemmy on /r/linux. I guarantee you there will be people complaining about the slur filter and Lemmy’s heavy-handed moderation. The mod mentioned other alternatives, too, some of which may catch the attention of the more “free speech” oriented people.

You do have a point, though. Ultimately, I trust the current admins and mods of the Lemmyverse to keep it a healthy community. They’ve done a great job so far.


[Teddit Link] An /r/Linux mod is encouraging Reddit users to migrate to open-source software, including Lemmy, over Reddit due to the massive misinformation problem.
[Original Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/petyjm/stop_using_social_media_such_as_reddit_or_your/) The mod seems to be a fellow Lemmy user (edit: oh they seem to be a mod of this community) and they're encouraging Reddit users to migrate to Lemmy, among other open-source software. Given the lack of care about dis/misinformation campaigns on Reddit on the part of the site admins, migrating seems like a good choice. If Reddit ever does take action, it'll only be when the bad PR outweighs the revenue that these misinformation people bring to Reddit. It's obvious Reddit doesn't care about its community, or really the massive role it plays in the current Web. If they're not going to take responsibility for the social damage they've caused so far by harboring and encouraging awful communities, then it's high time Reddit stopped existing. If people on /r/linux do take the mod's advice, then there may be an influx of new users on the site. I think it may be a good idea to encourage them to shop around for different instances on https://join-lemmy.org or make their own, just like the Lemmy devs always encourage. Also, the [!linux@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/linux) mods should be prepared in case we do get an influx of new users.
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What can one do to be a good citizen of the Web?
Users of the Web often have issues with how they are treated by developers and how the Web has evolved to be hostile against users and more geared toward creating consumers. Naturally, users have many criticisms and say that the Web should be _this_ instead or developed like _this_ instead to create a better Web environment. I wonder, then, about the other side of this "dilemma": what could one do to be a good citizen of the current Web?
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I never understood the obsession with specifically calling out Chinese apps in the whole data-stealing fiasco that is proprietary software. Like, no shit? If it’s a proprietary app, it’s almost certainly stealing your data. Whether it’s a Chinese app or not is unimportant, and calling out specifically Chinese apps is just a larger part of the sinophobia and racism rampant right now in the new Cold War against China. It’s like @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml says, it’s just part of the “China scary” narrative that serves to dehumanize both the people and government of China even when pretty much every country in the world is stealing people’s data, ESPECIALLY the US.

Just stay away from all proprietary software if you really care about your data, Chinese-made or not.


PipeWire handles both audio and video, including screen sharing. OBS Studio uses PipeWire when screensharing under Wayland, for example.


You kid, but there are probably “smart bathtubs” and “smart showers” out there that do run some old ass Linux kernel. The days of flushing a toilet while someone is showering are long gone. Now all you gotta do is hack into their showers and prank them from afar.


Lemmy getting big enough for meta-humor? You love to see it! (:

Honestly, slowly but surely Lemmy has been gaining its own footing. Sure, it’s getting bigger in size, but I think it’s also finding its own little style of community, and so far it’s been a great one!



Just created /c/dragonball for all of Lemmy's Dragon Ball needs.
With the recent developments in the Dragon Ball Super manga and how good it's getting, I was disappointed with Lemmy's lack of a Dragon Ball community, so I went ahead and made one! Enjoy (:
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What is something that you are incredibly proud of?
Something you have done, something a group you're affiliated with has done, or just anything that you are proud of and would like to share.
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Will y'all be spinning up y'all's own instances once federation is working properly?
If so, why? Just to have your own private server for you and friends, or to spin up a public server for a specific topic?
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