I think we need to add a couple more barriers to prevent spam. What about limiting posting to X amount of posts, or for new users or something?
I think we just need more features, like a report spam button, spam/ approval queues, modmail, etc.
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I think it sounds like a good solution, although that brings another issue to the table, that being the enormous amount of communities with dead administrators on Lemmy, which will make everything harder.
So all their posts/comments are hidden from everyone, until an admin manually approves? It sounds like a good option, but would require a bunch of work to implement. Mostly frontend changes for the review, on the backend it mainly needs a new user column bool reviewed_by_admin.
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Sounds good, would you like to open an issue for this?
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Backend
More than reviewed by admin, would be reviewed by moderators of the specific community.
It’s a horrible system for new users. It would kill growth in an instant.
Spam is only spam when there’s a number of substantively similar posts. A first post doesn’t meet that test, by definition.
I’m with you. Just banned again one who only came up advertising something. Maybe toilets, don’t know anymore, but it’s really annoying.
The ones spaming drugs are the scariest to be honest, what the hell.
I try to be frequent with r/technology, and it receives a lot of spam too. I hope people are happy with what I am able to manage.
I have told devs plenty times to apply the limit for new users, as it can help fight a lot of spam. Even reddit has these measures.
It becomes even more important as that one person soferman came, because of whom I had to put myself on the frontlines, and they left saying they will work towards harming Lemmy. How are we going to fight these people with sockpuppets we cannot even identify, if they can exist as ghosts manipulating feeds, votes and content on Lemmy?
Which specific limits would you apply on lemmy.ml, and for whom?
Remember the one GitHub page you made, listing the proposal for restrictions for new users? You made it after the episode happened where one troll was repeatedly making multiple accounts and harassing me, which you and dessalines banned upon knowing. I think that proposal wad great, we can of course tweak it a bit with community discussion post about it among regular members.
Sorry I dont remember, but it sounds similar to the limitations for new accounts which discourse has.
Ah thanks. Unfortunately @dessalines@lemmy.ml says that he is strictly against this.
I probably know what is going on in his head. But he has to understand that either of the restrictions or the report function has to exist. There has to be some pressure on development, if Lemmy has to become a great, successful platform and an example for Fediverse projects. It cannot stay a pool of 10k people forever.
I understand that it is annoying, but I think it’s because we’re still a small community. when our numbers become much higher, users will be almost enough to fight spamming. big subs will have enough users sorting by new and downvoting spams that they won’t get any visibility, and they will have enough mods to remove spams. this is what I said on a similar post:
I think once we get bigger and report functionality gets added, it won’t be that much of a problem anymore. it’s important to note that any anti-spam method comes at the risk of frustrating users, discrimination and potential for abuse. we could enforce a certain account age or positive karma for posts, or we could introduce shadow bans, or we could make a button for trusted users to empower them, but that would be empowering them over normal users.
once we get really big though, then just upvotes and downvotes would be enough to throw spams into the dark realm of the forgotten, never to be seen again.
like having the lemmur devs update their app, so we can @ admins and mods
How about that a moderator’s bot removes all posts and votes until approval? Then the bot will cancel its removing after the approval. In this case, lemmy requires no change.
This instance does not allow bots, and the moderation system, although more complicated to implement (maybe) will be useful in the longer run.
What you are proposing is “approved users” type of model that reddit keeps optional, and is rarely used. Bad idea I think.